I was on the Global Warming Gravy Train
Admission from Science Speak expert
The U.K. Daily Pundit featured this article yesterday and I thought it was worth following the links to satisfy my own curiosity and thirst for knowledge, I am one of those who perhaps are not yet fully convinced by the fashion, or the new evangelical religious-like zeal of the “green” politicians and their environmentalist string pullers. I have a healthy respect for science and have a healthy disdain for pollution too, and I have no problem with the ideas of making best use of the earth’s natural resources and using renewables wherever possible. Common sense dictates that many things are finite and our stewardship of the earth’s resources needs to be paramount.
On the other hand, until I am utterly convinced by an argument, until there is sufficient concensus to provide the basis for factual content, then I am perfectly entitled to hold a sceptical view of the current trend for politicians to jump on the carbon emissions bandwagon, is it just a nice fine way to raise taxes without raising riots? The trouble is of course, to express outright agreement with those who vehemently oppose the theory that CO2 emissions are mainly responsible for global warming and climate change, is to put oneself in the same category as holocaust deniers! Yet, it seems to me that this is how the “debate” is panning out, those who find data or formulae that contradicts the current version of environmental armageddon find themselves isolated, rejected, losing out on public finance for scientific projects and generally treated like a pariah.
David Evans is a mathematician, and a computer and electrical engineer, and is head of Science Speak, an organisation that was recently responsible for a huge carbon accounting and modelling exercise for the Australian government, and in a series of blog articles with a side wager involved (amounting to some thousands of dollars) he argues that perhaps CO2 emissions are not so important a factor in affecting global warming. Of course, once having published his thoughts he is instantly joined by other bloggers who refuse to give space to those they label “kooky denialist”
Iain Dale ran into the same problems with his post “How the Enviro-Fascists are trying to close down the climate change debate” which has attracted almost 200 very heated comments on Tuesday.
Here are a few extracts from the article by David Evans, you can read his full piece - here
“I devoted six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian government to estimate carbon emissions from land use change and forestry. When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty conclusive, but since then new evidence has weakened that case. I am now skeptical.
In the late 1990s, this was the evidence suggesting that carbon emissions caused global warming:
- Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, proved in a laboratory a century ago.
- Global warming has been occurring for a century and concentrations of atmospheric carbon have been rising for a century. Correlation is not causation, but in a rough sense it looked like a fit.
- Ice core data, starting with the first cores from Vostok in 1985, allowed us to measure temperature and atmospheric carbon going back hundreds of thousands of years, through several dramatic global warming and cooling events. To the temporal resolution then available (data points more than a thousand years apart), atmospheric carbon and temperature moved in lockstep: they rose and fell together. Talk about a smoking gun!
- There were no other credible causes of global warming.
I was on that gravy train, making a high wage in a science job that would not have existed if we didn’t believe carbon emissions caused global warming. And so were lots of people around me; there were international conferences full of such people. We had political support, the ear of government, big budgets. We felt fairly important and useful (I did anyway). It was great. We were working to save the planet!
But starting in about 2000, the last three of the four pieces of evidence above fell away. Using the same point numbers as above:
- Better data shows that from 1940 to 1975 the earth cooled while atmospheric carbon increased. That 35 year non-correlation might eventually be explained by global dimming, only discovered in about 2003.
- The temporal resolution of the ice core data improved. By 2004 we knew that in past warming events, the temperature increases generally started about 800 years before the rises in atmospheric carbon. Causality does not run in the direction I had assumed in 1999 — it runs the opposite way!
It took several hundred years of warming for the oceans to give off more of their carbon. This proves that there is a cause of global warming other than atmospheric carbon. And while it is possible that rising atmospheric carbon in these past warmings then went on to cause more warming (”amplification” of the initial warming), the ice core data neither proves nor disproves this hypothesis.
- There is now a credible alternative suspect. In October 2006 Henrik Svensmark showed experimentally that cosmic rays cause cloud formation. Clouds have a net cooling effect, but for the last three decades there have been fewer clouds than normal because the sun’s magnetic field, which shields us from cosmic rays, has been stronger than usual. So the earth heated up. It’s too early to judge what fraction of global warming is caused by cosmic rays.
There is now no observational evidence that global warming is caused by carbon emissions. You would think that in over 20 years of intense investigation we would have found something. For example, greenhouse warming due to carbon emissions should warm the upper atmosphere faster than the lower atmosphere — but until 2006 the data showed the opposite, and thus that the greenhouse effect was not occurring! In 2006 better data allowed that the effect might be occurring, except in the tropics.
Unfortunately politics and science have become even more entangled. Climate change has become a partisan political issue, so positions become more entrenched. Politicians and the public prefer simple and less-nuanced messages. At the moment the political climate strongly blames carbon emissions, to the point of silencing critics.
The integrity of the scientific community will win out in the end, following the evidence wherever it leads. But in the meantime, the effect of the political climate is that most people are overestimating the evidence that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming.
I recently bet $6,000 that the rate of global warming would slow in the next two decades. Carbon emissions might be the dominant cause of global warming, but I reckon that probability to be 20% rather than the 90% the IPCC estimates.
Politicians, expressing the anger and apparent futility of all the unnecessary poverty and effort, lead the lynching of the high priests with their opaque models. Ironically, because carbon emissions are raising the temperature baseline around which natural variability occurs, carbon emissions might need curbing after all. Maybe. The current situation is characterized by a lack of observational evidence, so no one knows yet.
Some people take strong rhetorical positions on global warming. But the cause of global warming is not just another political issue, subject to endless debate and distortions. The cause of global warming is an issue that falls into the realm of science, because it is falsifiable. No amount of human posturing will affect what the cause is. It just physically is there, and after sufficient research and time we will know what it is”.
In other words whilst the scientists are still not totally convinced of the cause of global warming I have to take a longer term “wait and see” approach to my own beliefs (despite some green lobbyists alarmist reactions that there is no time left for waiting.) Perhaps it is just a fashionable thing for politicians world wide to jump on the Al Gore bandwagon, or perhaps I’m a kooky denialist, we’ll just have to wait and see won’t we.






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I have known for years something extremely cold about Photosynthesis that our greatest scientists have completely missed, yet have totally proven for me.
They have known for years that plants use photosynthesis to separate hydrogen from water to make plant food, carbohydrate. It is the main ingredient, the ‘carbo’ part plants get from the pollutant CO2 in the air, and they eat many millions of tons of it a year.
Science also knows that plants need very little oxygen but they have a great deal of it after stealing the hydrogen from water so they just release it into our air.
Science also knows that air near earth’s surface is about 800 times less dense then its water, which means that every atom of oxygen that was water before Photosynthesis expands about that much as the leaves release it.
They also know that ‘Expansion is nature’s only one step supper cooling process’. That canned gas we use to clean keyboards can frostbite after only expanding several hundred times.
NASA is showing how over the last 100-200 years humans have cut about 80% of nature’s forests, and we won’t let it grow them back…
But what they have not done is put these simple facts together. I just wrote them is a way for third graders to go verify.
I posted it at earthfitness.blogspot.com
You will also see how irrigating many of the planet’s hottest deserts would be simple for modern technology and we could get much of the water from the still fresh water our river just dump into the sea.
Deserts into new paradises could rapidly cool down the whole planet while creating millions of jobs, tons of food and newly inhabitable lands for our exploding populations.
It may be the ultimate win win win situation, ever. Even endangered species win.
I live by this question “If I don’t try to make this a better world for all of nature’s creations, then how could its Creator ever trust me with a better one?” Steven Craig
Comment by Steven Craig — June 1, 2007 @ 2:27 am
Curly, I’m with you on being convinced by arguments. It seems to me the whole global warming debate is degenerating into a roll call to see who has the most people with big letters behind their names. So I try and look at the arguments used, not the people saying them. So it’s interesting to look at David Evans’s arguments:
“The earth cooled from 1940 to 1975″ - CO2 is not the only factor controlling global temperatures. There are other influences such as aerosols (tiny particles suspended in the air) that can have a cooling effect by reflecting sunlight. This phenomena is called global dimming. For example, in the 90’s, Mount Pinatubo erupted ejecting large amounts of SO2 in the air. There was a sharp drop in global temperature for several years as the CO2 influence was temporarily overwhelmed by the influence from volcanic SO2 in the atmosphere.
Similarly, in the 40’s and 50’s, CO2 warming was temporarily overwhelmed by human aerosol pollutions. In the 60’s/70’s, pollution regulations reduced aerosol emissions while CO2 levels have continued to increase. When climate models factor in CO2, solar, ozone, volcanic and sulfate forcings, the models show the same mid-century cooling that is observed. Rather than disproving global warming, mid-century cooling is a good way to show how accurate climate models are at explaining and predicting climate change.
“CO2 lags temperature” - Looking over the past 100,000 years, rising carbon levels have been observed to lag temperature rises - climate scientists have been aware of this for decades. In the past, “wobbles” in the earth’s orbit cause global warming - not dramatic warming like present day but gradual warming over 1000’s of years (noone denies that climate changes naturally). As the earth warmed, carbon levels also went up but 200 to 1000 years later. The warming earth somehow forces CO2 to be emitted from the oceans (I don’t quite understand how this works yet) then the atmospheric CO2 amplifies the temperature rise. The models predict the very temperature rises observed. The carbon lag doesn’t cast any doubt - it’s exactly what climatologists expect and if anything, confirms the amplifying effect of CO2 in the atmosphere.
“Cosmic rays cause cloud formation” - while the science on cosmic rays and cloud formation is still being nutted out, it’s all somewhat moot when you consider cosmic radiation has shown no trend over the last 50 years (http://ulysses.sr.unh.edu/NeutronMonitor/Misc/neutron2.html). So even if cosmic rays are linked to cloud formation, all they’ll find is the cloud formation 50 years ago is the same as it is now and has little to no impact on global warming today.
Comment by John Cook — June 1, 2007 @ 2:49 am
Models are GIGO. For instance, sequester enough CO2 and you starve plant life, cut down on oxygen and CO2, and freeze the planet. We will then need to burn the furniture to keep warm which could tip over into burning the remaining oxygen while we all choke in the cold. Sound incredible? It is.
The planet has evolved mechanisms over geological time (4.5 billion years of trial and error) to protect itself. Earth’s climate varies for a lot of extraterrestrial reasons. The shortest period has to do with the interplay of solar activity and cosmic radiation from the Milky Way. During quiet periods of solar activity, like now, cosmic radiation penetrates the atmosphere and creates clouds where conditions permit. Over long periods this cools the earth. Most of the time however, sun’s magnetic activity induces earth’s geomagnetic field. The geomagnetic shields are up during most of the 11 year sun spot cycle. Earth’s cooling (1940-1965) and earth’s heating (balance of the 20th century) is 95% correlated to sunspot peak frequency. Short cycles induce cooling and long cycles induce warming. This is a magnificently balanced system because the total solar irradiance varies very little. The subtlety is the correlation with sunspot peak frequency. During the Maunder Minimum there were no sunspots and the world suffered through the Little Ice Age.
CO2 has come out of the planet during 4.5 billion years of volcanic activity. Plants use CO2 to produce carbohydrates, oxygen and water vapour. Free oxygen is not produced by volcanoes.
CO2 has the property of inverse solubility. Global warming from the sun forces CO2 out of the ocean in increasing quantities like warming beer. CO2 is the effect, not the cause of the warming. Moreover, the absorption wavelength for CO2 in the spectrum is filled. CO2 will not contribute any more heating. The analogy is adding a second Venetian blind to your window may not make the room any darker.
Sea level is said to be rising (ICPP) at 2 – 3 mm a year. Since the Pleistocene it has risen 125 metres (6 mm a year) and most of the coastal tribes of the earth have a Noah. The coral reefs of the oceans have kept pace because of a symbiotic relationship with algae that keep them thriving in the sunlit surface of the sea no matter how fast sea level rises. Barrier bars like the Atlantic longshore bar are dynamic features that are fed sand by Piedmont rivers and maintain themselves in the surf zone. A summer beach is wide and fine and a winter beach is coarse and steep. Common sense needs to be applied.
By the way modern coal-fired power plants produce electricity, water vapour and CO2; plant food not pollution. The US has enough coal and oil shale to support itself for 1,000 years. This AGW piece is political, not scientific, and is coming out on party lines.
Comment by Dr. Francis T. Manns — June 2, 2007 @ 3:07 am
Dear Dr Manns,
What you say is basic common sense and only needs a basic grasp of physics,chemistry and biology to understand the concepts you describe BUT why is the media so silent on these facts? They seem only too happy to drone on about “carbon footprints” AGW and all the attendant rubbish! I despair that the ecotaliban have been able to silence the debate thus far. I have faith that scientists and common sense will win out in the end BUT how much damage will the eco lobby and self serving governments do in the meantime?
May I quote a simple line,
CO2=GOOD
MORE CO2=MORE GOOD
Cutting CO2 may be the most idiotic thing the human race has ever done! and we have done some silly things in the past!
Comment by Stephanie Clague — June 2, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Dr Manns,
There’s some things you discuss that I’ve not heard of before and sound intriguing - particularly the impact of sunspot peak frequency and that CO2 absorption is filled. Do you know of any studies that back this up?
However, I’m not sure where this notion that we’re going to remove CO2 and freeze the planet comes from. The issue isn’t about removing CO2 but reducing emissions. We’re currently pouring over 26 gigatonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere each year so I don’t think there’s any danger of the atmosphere running out of CO2 anytime soon.
Comment by John Cook — June 2, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
I recently included your comments in one of my posts on my blog on global warming. http://www.globalwarming-factorfiction.com.
Comment by Sean O — July 4, 2007 @ 7:40 am
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Yes, I as well was on that “global warming band-wagon.” I turned back once I took things into my own hands and researched it. I’m taking a more, “wait and see” stand point on the issue because we can’t really predict the way Earth will act. Models can only get us so far and even with data from eons, they are still inaccurate. Who knows what factors could come into effect when the Earth’s temperature changes. From asteroid strikes, huge forest fires, and monsterous volcanic eruptions, to sun spots, the ozone, and even the tilt of the Earth’s axis, there is just too much information to put into an even RELATIVELY accurate model. This is why my stand point is so.
Comment by Ryan Tucker — May 19, 2008 @ 7:06 pm