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Obama and infanticide

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I’m so glad that I am not American

Whilst I have to say that the Republican Party in the USA has made some major strategic errors at a time when they are having to defend the almost indefensible record of George W. Bush, I find that there just too many flaws in the character and policies of Senator Barack Obama, the man who pollsters are overwhelmingly telling us will be the next President of the United States of America.

If I were pushed, and if I were an American, I would have to find an Independent to support at next week’s elections, my Christian conscience could not allow me to support Barack Obama a man who appears to be fully supportive of legalised infanticide.

Please watch this video first

[Youtube=http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA]

Cranmer raised the issue today, and I believe it deserves a wider public airing, Barack Obama has a record of NOT supporting legislation which would outlaw these procedures. This procedure allows for a very late abortion by inducing labour, whereby in many cases the baby is born alive, breathing, crying, kicking, and yearning for it’s mother’s milk – and is then left, abandoned, cold and hungry, with no intervention until it dies!

This is not a Pro Life issue, nor a woman’s choice issue, which mother would choose to do this to any human being?  Nor is it a religious issue, I know of no religion that would purposely instruct it’s followers to allow a baby to die in isolation from it’s mother. Yet in many American states, live abortions are allowed right up until nine months after Senators, such as Obama passed the necessary legislation (or at least failed to actively oppose it.)

Here’s another video featuring the same nurse with a television interviewer

[YouTube=http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rh_b3WXbqvI]

I’m glad Cranmer raised the matter, it is an ethical problem for politicians and doctors to consider, it occasionally happens here with shorter term abortions, yet it seems that doctors and nursing staff are taught or encouraged to put their own feelings and emotions to one side, they are only following the path of the law.

As far as Obama is concerned, he even has doubts about when life begins:

Q: Do you personally believe that life begins at conception?

A: This is something that I have not come to a firm resolution on. I think it’s very hard to know what that means, when life begins. Is it when a cell separates? Is it when the soul stirs? So I don’t presume to know the answer to that question. What I know is that there is something extraordinarily powerful about potential life and that that has a moral weight to it that we take into consideration when we’re having these debates.

Source: 2008 Democratic Compassion Forum at Messiah College Apr 13, 2008

See any contradictions there? Moral weight about potential life? What about real life Obama – after the baby has taken it’s first breath?

As we saw in the second video clip, if he’s willing to lie about the positions that he has taken on infanticide as he goes through the election campaign, then he is no position to proclaim that he is the man to bring change to America. He is just another lying politician, like many others who went before him.

I’m glad I’m not American, I’d hate to face the choice, I’d hate to face a future with Barack Obama too.

Update

“I suspect that doctors feel that they would be under that obligation, that they would already be making these determinations, and that essentially adding an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion.”

Barack Obama
Illinois Senate
April 4, 2002
Expressing his opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act

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Written by curly

October 29, 2008 at 6:06 pm

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  1. Ron Paul, Bob Barr or Ralph Nader, Nader is pro choice, the others are not, Ron Paul is very enlightened for a conservative?

    dummidumbwit

    October 29, 2008 at 7:52 pm

  2. I find this post sadly misleading. Cranmer’s post is false. Obama has repeatedly said that he would support outlawing late-term abortions — provided there is an exception when there is a threat to the physical (not emotional) health of the mother. Would you seriously stop a woman from getting a late term abortion if it meant that there was a significant chance that she would die?

    Here’s Obama’s position: (from http://www.relevantmagazine.com/life_article.php?id=7591):

    “I have repeatedly said that I think it’s entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don’t think that “mental distress” qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term. Otherwise, as long as there is such a medical exception in place, I think we can prohibit late-term abortions.

    The other email rumor that’s been floating around is that somehow I’m unwilling to see doctors offer life-saving care to children who were born as a result of an induced abortion. That’s just false. There was a bill that came up in Illinois that was called the “Born Alive” bill that purported to require life-saving treatment to such infants. And I did vote against that bill. The reason was that there was already a law in place in Illinois that said that you always have to supply life-saving treatment to any infant under any circumstances, and this bill actually was designed to overturn Roe v. Wade, so I didn’t think it was going to pass constitutional muster.”

    So please, don’t spend your time scaring people with horrific videos, without bothering to get your facts straight in the first place. And now that you know that Obama does not “support legalized infanticide” I hope you can support Obama with a clear conscience.

    wm

    October 29, 2008 at 10:01 pm

  3. WM beat me to it. I’m not a fan of either McCain or Obama. However, I do recognise the difference between supporting infanticide and opposing a law with onerous clauses.

    The video is emotive anti-Obama propaganda. As soon as the sickly music appeared my objectivity alarm sounded, and anyone else’s should too. The website listed at the end, nohussein.org, is an unsubtle reference to Obama’s Muslim heritage, which should cause some concern. Religion is definitely an issue here and caution should be deployed.

    rossinisbird

    October 29, 2008 at 11:19 pm

  4. It has to be remembered that Cranmer’s raison d’etre is to highlight religio-political issues, that’s what his blog is all about. It does what it says on the tin.

    Yes, these Americans make quite good attack videos too.

    curly

    October 29, 2008 at 11:23 pm

  5. Highlighting “religio-political issues” is one thing. Deliberate misrepresentation (lying) is another. When did Jesus say it is OK to lie?

    wm

    October 29, 2008 at 11:43 pm

  6. One more point — as an American I am completely fed up with Republicans using abortion as an issue to whip up evangelicals. For six long years, Republicans controlled the presidency, both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court. Did they even try to outlaw abortion? No, they did not. Why? Because they love to use it as a wedge issue — exactly like Cranmer is doing now. So they continue to scream “vote for me so I can stop the Democrats from killing babies” while doing absolutely nothing about it when they are in control. I am amazed that evangelical/fundamentalist Christians continue to allow themselves to be used and manipulated in such a sick and obvious way.

    wm

    October 29, 2008 at 11:54 pm

  7. I don’t think that Cranmer is a liar, and if either of you had gotten round to viewing the second video clip than I must assume that the researchers, TV anchor, and the nurse are liars too, that’s more than four in one go!

    Yet Obama chose to vote ‘present’ (abstain) rather than for or against, isn’t that a strange position to take?

    To the lady who emailed me suggesting that the issue is all about over emotive viewing of the foetus and the urge for politicians and the medical profession to control women, please do grow up. The issue here is not about the foetus it is about living children, breathing, crying, issued with birth certificates and then allowed to die in a world surrounded by supposedly caring people and lots of food. Then they are issued with a death certificate, all to comply with the legislators who granted the state the means to do this.

    curly

    October 30, 2008 at 8:42 am

  8. Watch the full video (30 minutes) of Barack Obama Campaign

    http://lugardoconhecimento.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/o-video-de-barack-obama/

    Regards,
    RM

    RM

    October 30, 2008 at 7:32 pm


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