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Gordon Brown, secret talks

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Written by curly

May 11, 2010 at 9:13 am

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  1. Curly, you know as well as I do that we have a parliamentary system in the UK, not a presidential one. Cameron had his chance to win, backed by Ashcroft’s millions. He didn’t.
    What’s happening now is entirely consistent with our democratic norms. Unlected prime ministers? Remember 1990?

    Michael

    May 11, 2010 at 10:17 am

    • Yes I accept that we don’t have a Presidential system (just the style), however there are great differences between the Tory party changing their leaders in the past and the current situation. Harold MacMillan and Margaret Thatcher were replaced when their party had a commanding Parliamentary majority, and their successors went on to be tested in a general election, Home lost and Major won. The current Labour leadership change is not happening within a party that has a majority, it’s current leader had not even been tested in a Labour Party election before facing a general election that was not won, it remains to be seen what happens with the future leader.

      curly

      May 11, 2010 at 12:25 pm

  2. Two things, Michael.
    Yes, I remember 1990 (and I can go back a lot further than that) and I also remember James Callaghan.
    Secondly. Does the democratic system also include the Liberal Democrats holding the country to ransom in order to achieve political aims, that the British people don’t want, instead of putting the national interest in the forefront? Don’t query the “British people don’t want” bit. If that is not the case, why did the Lib Dems also end up with fewer seats than last time?

    Trigger

    May 11, 2010 at 11:06 am

    • Trigger,
      was proportional representation high on the list of voters concerns last week at the election, or was the economy and the NHS higher in our priorities?

      curly

      May 11, 2010 at 12:27 pm

  3. Fewer seats but a greater share of the vote (and yes, I know it was only 1% but that just goes to show how decontextualised statistics can be entirely misleading).
    The democratic system does include the Lib Dems doing exactly what they’re doing. Just as it includes the right wing press spreading lies and panic before and after the election. If anything can be said to be true it is that the British people didn’t want a single party to govern, Tories, Lib Dems or Labour.
    As it stands, Labour has the constitutional right to stay in office if they can form a coalition. Everything else is just sound and fury, signifying bugger all but Tory hysteria.

    Michael

    May 11, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    • David Blunkett who said that the Liberal Democrats are behaving “like every harlot in history”, and John Reid who warned warned that a Labour-Lib Dem coalition would result in “mutually assured destruction” for both parties.

      “This will not be a sustainable coalition,” said Diane Abbott,“We’ll be at the mercy of tiny parties that simply want to protect their countries from spending cuts.”

      Tory hysteria Michael?

      curly

      May 11, 2010 at 3:58 pm

  4. “Secret talks with Tehran and Harare”.

    Yes, Curly, it is. And if I may say so, extremely disrespectful to opponents of the regimes in those two countries.

    Michael

    May 11, 2010 at 7:49 pm


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