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Sarah PalinWhere do you go after Nov. 4th?

With the McCain camp in serious disarray, when the “circular firing squad” has finished it’s work, and the Presidential election virtually handed to the Democrats on a plate, where do conservatives go after Nov. 4th.

Is Sarah Palin really the answer for 2012?

Will the Democrat majority be too large to overturn after one term?

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Written by curly

October 27, 2008 at 9:01 am

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  1. These two articles from Kos are good on the future of the GOP:

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/26/901/09483/489/637180

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/26/25411/444/269/642493

    My prediction: Palin 2012 as the party struggles to hold it together; massive defeat at the polls, then open civil war between the theocrats and the free market fundamentalists. Since the theocrats can’t win an election and the GOP has no volunteers without them, I predict they won’t take the White House until 2020 at the earliest.

    Paul Crowley

    October 27, 2008 at 10:52 am

  2. Your question on Right Truth

    “Where do Conservatives go now”

    INTO DEFENSE MODE….CURLY.

    complacent Brits and complacent Americans
    sat on their soft chairs and let their leaders greedy for more power and money take over. SHAME ON US!

    Mary McTier

    October 27, 2008 at 1:15 pm

  3. Wow your being negative it is not over yet.

    Nov. 4th remember, and as far as disarray there needs to be
    more proof then seeing that written by the socialist media we
    have in our country. McCain was on a talk show here Sunday
    morning praising Sarah Palin so maybe you might want to think
    about being too negative haha. But thank you for your concern.
    I just pray we do not follow in the footsteps of England and
    end up with Shira courts. That shocked us over her in America and
    is a warning to the entire world how not to give in to the Muslims like
    that. I pray we never do, but it seems the democrats here would love it.

    Thank you for your concern Curly and the thing I ask of you is to pray. Pray
    for our country and yours that Barack Hussein Obama does not become President
    of the United States of America.

    I hope I answered your question that you asked at my Blog.

    Wild Thing

    October 27, 2008 at 2:43 pm

  4. They’re all going to heaven Curly! Don’t you know there’s a Rapture coming. Real soon, now. :)

    Of course, it’s always good to have a Plan B, since Raptures can be unreliable ;) In that event, they’re off to the same place as John Major’s conservatives in 1997: Limbo. It’ll be peaceful and quiet there, since here aren’t many TRUE conservatives nowadays.

    Seth (Atlanta, GA)

    October 27, 2008 at 3:36 pm

  5. That;’s a good question, Curly. The analysis I’ve mostly seen is that one of two things will happen:

    1: They will learn the lesson of this election, abandon (or at least decrease) their hateful, divisive move to the extreme far right, and move closer to the center, where most Americans want them to be.

    2: They will not learn the lesson of this election, and will continue to try to shore up their extreme right- wing base.

    Not hugely helpful, I know. I think we’re really just going to have to wait and see.

    Greta Christina

    October 27, 2008 at 6:54 pm

  6. Republicans have two modes of operation:

    1. Rule or ruin; and
    2. Rule and ruin.

    The philosophy is that, since government is the enemy, it must be ruined; and anyone who tries to make government work well, they must also be ruined.

    Republicans are now pivoting from mode 2 to mode 1. Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly and the Savage Nation are getting their materials ready. Obama is an alien, a terrorist and a socialist. He must be destroyed, and any government of which he is a part must also be destroyed.

    Bob Kay

    October 27, 2008 at 6:57 pm

  7. The Bushite moderates will be pushed to the side, at least temporarily. The Reaganites will take over fairly soon. Depite what liberals like to delude themselves into believing, most Americans (84%) believe that pro-growth policies are preferable to wealth redistribution. Reaganites are just that sort of politicians. Of course, given that Obama’s policies may permanently ruin the nation’s economy and power, the conservatives may have nothing left to work with when the liberals are rejected.

    Eric

    October 27, 2008 at 7:45 pm

  8. There is a wonderful cartoon by Michael Ramirez of McCain (http://www.investors.com/editorial/cartoon.asp) as a boxer on the center of the ring surrounded by numerous boxing gloves that he’s shed; is is captioned “Taking the gloves off” and typifies McCain’s campaign. As Mohamed Ali once said, “Float llke a butterfly, sting like a bee”. I think John got it half-right.

    Those of us who remember Reagan (and adored Margaret Thatcher) remembered a candidate and president who was not afraid to speak to the American people over the heads of a frustrated MSM. the reason was that he spoke to the common citizen and not with flowery rhetoric. I think Sarah Palin falls into this category and, while she was absolutely savaged by the media, she has established herself on the political stage and will become an integral part of the conservative revolution in the coming years. Cf. Jindal, Romney, Huckabee, et al.

    Excuse me while I wander off topic.

    I would not count on conservative politics wandering too long in the desert here. The liberals may win and win big in 2008 but I believe they will pay for their majorities dearly. The American people will expect them to deliver by running the country — and I do not mean just re-distribute the wealth. While George Bush is only popular with 25% of Americans, the congress from whence Obama, McCain, Biden, Reid, and Pelosi come is liked by less than one in ten in this country. And the comments coming out of the Obama camp, Reid, and Pelosi and the rest of the liberal Democrat crowd are those of people salivating at putting their socialist programs in place whilst cutting our defense budget, etc.

    Also, as a result of the mean-spirited Obama campaign, its thug tactics, and the supplicant MSM, there is a seething resentment of 40% of the electorate (conservative, Republicans, *and* the pro-Hillary PUMA crowd). As president, Obama will have to govern from the center even with the majorities he is likely to enjoy. This will cause the extreme left, expecting a liberal worker’s paradise, to turn on him. Also, he cannot woo the press for the entire four years either. The Messiah theme will get old quick and they will be looking for a story line to hook a disinterested public after the election is over. COunter-culture and mainstream articles will creep into the mix and catch fire.

    Heaven help Obama if he stumbles during a foreign policy crisis; the public will turn on him like a pack of slavering dogs.

    One only has to remember the ineffectual and incompetent Jimmy Carter (arguably a smarter and more experienced executive than Obama) and how he was flushed out in 1980 after a disastrous presidency.

    We are thinking Obama – Carter II and 2012 == 1980.

    William of Orange

    October 27, 2008 at 8:29 pm

  9. As an Independent who voted for McCain in New Hampshire in 2000 and 2008 I have to say that I agree with much of the sentiment here. Honestly, I think the playing to the base of the theocrats have really steered Independents away this cycle. I can only speak for myself, but I was really turned off by the constant attacks and harping on Roe v Wade when our economic future is on the chopping block.

    As for the future of the Republican Party, I don’t think Palin is the answer. She is the right’s version of Hillary; polarizing. I read in an earlier comment that some suspect the Republicans will not have a legitimate shot at the executive mansion until 2020, I would have to agree. I just don’t see a great conservative out there who can bring together fiscal conservatism as well as appease the theocracy that has become the base. Who knows, I could be wrong, just my thoughts.

    Great blog, I really enjoy your perspective! Would love to join your blogroll as an Independent if possible!

    David Wornica

    October 28, 2008 at 4:29 am

  10. Comment by David Wornica — October 28, 2008 @ 4:29 am: As an Independent who voted for McCain in New Hampshire in 2000 and 2008 I have to say that I agree with much of the sentiment here. Honestly, I think the playing to the base of the theocrats have really steered Independents away this cycle. I can only speak for myself, but I was really turned off by the constant attacks and harping on Roe v Wade when our economic future is on the chopping block.

    If the likes of you are leaving the party in droves because of Palin and social conservatives like her, then good riddance to you. Would that you’d get out of the way and let the genuine cons lead the party to victory.

    We don’t need you. You hear me? Get out. Get the f**k out. Stay home on Election Day or vote for the Libertarians or something. I don’t care.

    It’s people like you and your relentless yanking toward the center that’s cost us our Congressional majority. 2006 was merely the hammer blow…it had been chipped-away-at for years since 94, thanks to profligate porkbarrel spending and letting Ted Kennedy write the No Child Left Behind bill.

    Reagan won 2 elections by historic landslides. He did it by bringing people into the GOP as conservatives. He didn’t abide any of this nonsense about “moving the party to the center” or “away from the hard right wing” or any other place you RINO morons believed it ought to be. He had a plan for victory and he did it by being genuine. There wasn’t any of this “reaching out to the other side” crap. At least the Democrats understand that they’re in Washington to fight for the interests of their constituents, not make deals with the opposition. And yet here you are wanting to exacerbate our problems by blaming it all on Palin and us “wingnut” voters who like her.

    He stood on the right and said, “Here’s what we stand for. Here’s why. We win, the Soviets lose.” The nation flocked to him.

    Palin will do that for us in 2012, after McCain gets the whipping he deserves.

    Oh, and shame on you for voting for that clown back in 2000. The backstabbing little socialist-lite weasel ought to have been run out of the party for even considering a shot at the presidency.

    Get out of our party. And take Arlen Specter and the rest of those worthless New England Senate RINOs with you.

    Cylar

    October 28, 2008 at 6:47 am

  11. Oh goodness, you republicans should just give it a rest already. Obama spanked ya’ll. I mean just wiped up the floor with your trickle down ideology. Reaganomics is DEAD!!! It is like Reagan is all you have left to cling to and that in itself is a joke. America is changing whether you like it or not… don’t you get it??? The Socialist label DIDN’T WORK! The MSM was right there with the repugs and the STILL blew it. Palin is an IDIOT and I am GLAD that the majority of America strongly rejected her. Repubs = Losers!!! HAAAAAAAAA!!!

    GOBAMA!!!

    Julio

    November 11, 2008 at 4:47 pm


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